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« on: January 16, 2019, 10:38:40 PM »

Is is awesome or sad that I rely on the dude who created Family Guy for decent Star Trek?

Considering the CBS has no fucking idea what they are doing with Star Trek: Discovery?
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2019, 11:41:14 PM »

Yeah, 3 eps into season 2 and it's - if nothing else - nailing the vibe of ST:TNG. 

It's still an odd mic of adventure and humor - Macfarlane is still struggling with the portions - a little unsure how serious to take itself.

The plots have been decidedly un-scifiy (excepting for a very dope rescue off of a world about to be destroyed by a sun), but it's doing what the actual owners of the STAR TREK IP seem incapable of doing, which making entertaining scifi.

So too are big plot points from earlier episodes - as in the ep right before the newest ones - seemingly forgotten about, which happens in part because he's not wrapping them up neatly enough.  But again, it's succeeding at recreating what the next gen had in spades - good casts with excellent chemistry doing cool stuff with cool props and costumes.

It's a good show, one that makes me miss Picard and the rest.

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 08:29:16 AM »

Too bad he couldn't reach out to those other cats doing the independent Star Trek show for writing.

I think that might be a nice combo.

Meanwhile, I was thinking about something that we talked about recently.

Why is Sci-Fi dead?

I think I may know why.

The rise of Science Fiction really began its major ascent in the late 19th and early 20th century with writers like HG Wells, Aldous Huxley, and the like (Im probably not giving Shelley her due, Frankenstein is, after all, a science fiction novel), giving their interpretations of the scientific transformation that was happening across Europe.  Mostly cautionary stories about the ultimate aims of science, they nevertheless fired the imaginations of people who were in the midst of this new world that science and technology were forging.

Further still into the 20th Century with writers like Asimov, Burroughs, and Heinlein gave varying views on not just what was happening now, but what was going to happen later.  Bear in mind, the scientific revolution was still in full swing, resulting in not one, but two world wars, which saw in quick succession people going from using percussion rifles to splitting the atom in the space of 80 years.   Think about that.  The last battle of the Civil War was 1865, the first atomic test was 1945.  In between?  Battleships, bombers, machine guns, radar, x-rays, you name it.

Then into space in the 50's and 60's while the Cold War was just beginning, new writers like Dick, Ellison, and Herbert started to produce darker, more complex science fiction stories.  Again, looking at the view of what effects science and technology would have on mankind now and in the future.  More and more, the future looked dystopian: antiseptic, scientific, and authoritarian.

People still ate up science fiction, which was only accelerated by the wild success of science fiction films of the late 70's and early 80's.  The Computer revolution had arrived, the space shuttle was still capturing the public's imagination.  Hells bells, America had a SPACE CAMP.

Science Fiction was still hotter than hell heading into the 90's when the next revolution occurred: The Internet.  The space shuttle was still a thing, regardless of the Challenger, and people marveled at the new ability to instantly communicate with anyone on the planet virtually instantaneously and for the more part, for free.

Then something happened....Space Camp was no longer a thing.  The Space Shuttle was retired and not replaced.  Sure there were some private entrepreneurs trying to get into space, but those projects are going nowhere.  Going to Mars?  Please, most people don't even believe we've actually gone to the moon.  Technology?  Sure it's advancing, but it's not capturing people's imagination anymore.  Robots?  So what?  Smart Phones?  They're handy as hell, and they spy on you, but inspirational?  Hardly.

This is why science fiction is dead: People are not inspired anymore.  There's no direction, no national goals, just the ugly grey mess created by globalism.  What does technology even mean now?  Does mankind have any shared goals anymore?

The other reason why science fiction is dead: Authoritarianism.  Long warned of in the early science fiction novels, which spoke of scientific dictatorships and control of the people by technological means, that time is here, and it's boring.  It's boring on purpose, as authoritarians do not want an inspired people, but an enslaved one.  Who makes the best slaves?  Those who are willing to be slaves.

Dissent?  You can simply be 'de-personed'.  Soon, once cash is gone, you can be controlled financially too.  The dystopian future is here, now.  There will be no more science fiction of note because the people will not want it.  They will be happy in their enslavement, at least, as happy as it is possible to be.  Maybe better to say; 'unpersecuted'. 

It will be as Wells, Orwell, and Huxley predicted: Drugged up Eloi and the Morlocks that control and eat them.  A boot on a smiling human face, forever.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 09:07:56 AM »

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Ccitl8IRMjA" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/v/Ccitl8IRMjA</a>
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 01:41:36 PM »

This is why science fiction is dead: People are not inspired anymore.  There's no direction, no national goals, just the ugly grey mess created by globalism.  What does technology even mean now?  Does mankind have any shared goals anymore?
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Why go to Mars when you can jack off to a new, never ending supply, of porn here on earf?

Less prosaically, the internet is a creation so vastly important, yet all but un-predicted, that scifi can hardly compete.  While a few scifi biggies came close, like STAR TREK's computer on the Enterprise & the Guide in HITCHER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY, no science fiction book or movie really grasped or foretold the insane impact the 'net would have.

You touch on the other big factor - everything else (other then flying cars, warp speed, artificial gravity, and transporters) has pretty much been invented.  Put food into a box and 30 seconds later and it's hot?  Check.  Hot water on demand?  Check.  Clones?  Check.  Amazing mega-weapons?  Check.  Space ships?  Check.  Sex robots?  Check.  STAR TREK communicators?  Cell phones are vastly more powerful then those and can be had for $15... at a grocery store.

Yet the things that a lot of scifi hold dearest - artificial gravity and warp speed - are likely impossible.  Almost certainly warp speed is.  I'm not aware of a single branch of physics, including the ones that proscribe dark matter and string theory as being real, that indicate it's possible.  Einstein didn't think it was.

And as our discussion on the moon landing indicates, it may well be impossible for mankind to leave earth's lower orbit in any event.  Even if you believe we did land on the moon, that means that only 24 people have ever been known to leave earth's orbit.

Let that sink in for a second.

SO a combination of advanced super tech plus tech that may well be completely impossible or utterly impractical means that "techy" themed scifi seems pretty hum-drum.  

The other reason why science fiction is dead: Authoritarianism.

That aspect of scifi is sadly not only coming true, it's already completely true in many places.  The following headline is from a story from today:

"Oregon Could Become the First State to Require In-Home Surveillance of Newborn Babies"

Let that sink in for a second.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/oregon-could-be-the-first-state-to-require-in-home-surveillance-of-newborn-babies/

https://www.quora.com/Were-the-Apollo-astronauts-the-only-humans-to-go-beyond-Low-Earth-Orbit
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 11:27:21 PM »

Tonight's ep was the best of the new season so far (4 eps in); a lot of action, plot twists, a reference to both last season and the last episode, an introduction of a new major enemy, and only a little bit of humor.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2019, 07:45:35 AM »

Also, I do think this show is pretty cool.

I mean, at least they're trying.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 04:47:47 PM »

Several outstanding episodes since the last reviews, including last night's which had a plot twist I called about a month ago....

Because the twist made such obvious sense.  In other words, it was a good thing to do, despite them telegraphing it a bit.

It will ultimately allow for a plot where the current equivalent of the Romulans, the Krill, join forces with the Union... and thus getting the Captain back together with the Krill chick he unwittingly banged.

All of which means the shows was written with more of an overarching story in mind, something more akin to DEEP SPACE NINE then TNG.  Which takes a bit more time and care.

Any way, it really is developing into a great show.  The humor now only comes in dribs and drabs - not much more the TNG to be honest.  It's pretty much a straight up drama at this point, and a good one.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 11:47:31 PM »

Yeah. I was disappointed in this show at first as it was advertised as a new comedy from the creator of Family Guy and American Dad. Glad I stuck it out.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 03:43:06 PM »

HOLY SHIT.

S2E9 - IDENTITY PT 2! What an awesome show!
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2019, 04:53:35 PM »

Yeah, a really show.  Again, fairly predictable, but that's OK when it's good.  And it was very good....

The space battle at the end of the ep was truly epic.  More STAR WAR-y then STAR WARS is by a wide margin.  Hard to believe this is for a Fox TV show.

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